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Frédéric Lasnier
Title: President&Chief Executive Officer
Bio: After a quick passage in a national marketing service company, Frederic Lasnier founded Pentalog with four colleagues, academics like himself. During a period of economic stagnation (in 1993).
In 1995, he decided to open permanently the capital of Pentalog to the participation of his employees. This participation now has reached 56%. It was a political vision that he shared with the founding members. Starting from 1997, Pentalog exported their first services outside of France. The percentage of foreign activities subsequently reached 60% in 2006.
In 1999, as part of a large software project (10 000 man-days in J2EE), he made his first trip to Romania and laid the foundation for the Pentalog policy of European "low cost". In 2005, he initiated the creation of BPO services (Business Process Outsourcing) and offered a New Business Model to Pentalog High Tech. In 2006, with the help of Ausy, one of the 5 most important players in the French market of outsourced R&D services, he created Pentalog Technology, a joint venture between Ausy and Pentalog, co-owned equally by the two partners. The Joint Venture aims to provide low cost but high quality R & D to global players. Pentalog took operational control of this alliance.
In 2008, Pentalog Deutschland, the German subsidiary of the group was created.
In 2009, Frederic created Pentalog Vietnam.
In all these areas, the management is provided from Orleans and it is here where 70% of the consolidated value is held.
Frederic is the father of the adaptation of the "design to cost" for intellectual services in France.
Aymeric Libeau
Title: CIO - Vice President Infrastructure & R&D
Bio: The management of infrastructure and R&D Aymeric is supervising includes all the technical aspects (for the company as well as for our customers), whether they are related to corporate needs, resources to complete a project, R&D activities or quality control.
Aymeric is the one who defines the strategy of development of our infrastructure and information system.
This former peacekeeper has led several international operations, in particular in Eastern Europe. He remains operational for some of our customers, whether as an expert in architecture, a project director or consultant in the choice of technologies.


Monica Jiman
Title: Deputy CEO
Bio: Monica graduated in Marketing and Production from the University of Orleans, and joined Pentalog as a trainee.
She then became the Manager of the branch office in Bucharest, today employing 50 people in the field of outsourced software development on the offshore as well as local market in Romania.
In May 2009 she became Chief Operational Officer. Monica is now in charge of operations in Vietnam, Eastern Europe, France and Germany, involving over 300 employees. She manages sales and business lines, the creation of new branch offices, recruitment, human resources and the responsibility of contractual operations.
Monica has been Pentalog's Deputy CEO (Deputy Chief Executive Officer) since August 2011. She is in charge of operational management, including the management of production and production structures, financial and reporting management, administration and development of existing partnerships, supervision of the information systems, technical management and … the incubator.

Alexandra Mondanel
Title: International Operations Officer
Bio: After a 4-month internship within the Pentalog Orleans Team, Alexandra was recruited to develop the company's international activities. She holds a postgraduate degree in International Business and foreign languages and she is European to the core: her mother is German and her father is French; she attended a British University, and used to work for the German subsidiary of a French company before joining Pentalog in 2005. Her ability to speak four languages will be determining to find partners all accross Europe.

Sophie Lelarge
Title: WW Sales and BL Director
Bio: Sophie is the group's Sales Director and manages the 3 Business Lines: Information Systems, Embedded Systems and BPO.
She ensures the dialogue with consultants and project managers, as well as the monitoring of our commitments, in coordination with the project managers.




Pierre Peutin
Title: Head of Business Line for Information Systems
Bio: Pierre entered Pentalog as a developer, in 1999. He has worked on web and client/servers projects, on missions of medium and long duration in both France and Belgium. After several years as a developer, Pierre oriented himself towards Business Intelligence by participating in various reporting projects for customers like PSA Peugeot Citroën, Loxam or the ACTICALL group. Later, Pierre became Project Leader for specific application developments, managing teams of 1 to 7 people based in France and offshore for Pentalog. Pierre then naturally served as an offshore Project Director before taking on the responsibility of the Business Line for Information Systems.
Pierre is presently responsible for writing business proposals, monitoring existing customers, commitment control vis-à-vis our customers on projects, compliance with Pentalog quality system procedures and control and optimization of expenses for the Business Line.
Mickaël Hiver
Title: Head of Business Lines for Embedded Systems & BPO
Bio: Mickaël entered Pentalog as a Network Administrator in February 1997 with the aim to gain global understanding of information technology in order to assist and guide users in meeting their real needs. For 8 years he was an in-house producer for Pentalog clients. With his acquired experience, Mickaël progressively left production to become first a Project Manager, then Project Director and finally the Head of Business Lines for Embedded Systems & BPO.
Mickaël is a hands-on and open person, with an acute sense of organization and priorities. Through his assistance and counseling he gives his clients and prospective clients the opportunity to focus calmly on their actual core business.
Eric Gouin
Title: Administrator
Bio: Eric graduated from a renown school of Physics and Chemistry in Paris. While he was a student he used to develop websites related to his student activities.
After two research internships within a French company producing mobile phone components in the Sophia-Antipolis Technopole, he joined the IT world in which he held several key positions.
He now is a finance and management control consultant.


Aleth Delcenserie
Title: Quality Manager
Bio: Associate-founder of Pentalog and board member, Aleth Delcenserie first evolved in the graphics department of the company. Gifted with a strong sense of organization and a taste for detail, she conducted with rigorous methodology publishing projects and electronic media for over ten years, and launched the Pentalog BPO-DTP sector at the end of 2005.
From September 2007, Aleth has been responsible for the definition and for the implementation of the Pentalog Quality Policy, leading to the ISO 9001:2008 certification of the group, on December 24, 2008.
As the Director of Quality Control, Aleth is now based in Moldova since 1 January 2009, where she now shares her time between coaching project managers in implementing effectiveness control and the progress of Pentalog Quality.

The boom in web models brings about great changes to the economic exchanges. They can provide purchasing services with a great potential for efficiency and with considerable strategic opportunities. However, the purchase of offshore services remains confined to an unadapted local information process, which is too much related to the purchase of local consulting services, due to national listing agreements. Nevertheless, the offshore sector includes numerous strategic methods for reducing the customers’ capex. The productivity of commercial departments of IT companies, which hasn’t changed over the last 20 years, affects prices and customer satisfaction. A few thoughts about it…

If I had time… oh, another post which begins with an incantation! So, if I had time, I would like to carry out a detailed study on the appropriateness of IT service purchasing models which are currently used in the European IT sector. Indeed, I am regularly surprised to notice that among our prospects who visit us, those who always pay the most for their trip and their stay are those who have a purchasing department, having listed providers for at least one year. At a time when the web is gaining in popularity and there are less and less intermediaries, and guaranteed income is called into question, this type of practice is absurd, as there are always promotions that their listed travel agencies do not offer them. Very often, they pay between twice to four times more than us for a trip that they bought on the same day from the same company. Whenever this happens, they protest against this waste, but this scenario is invariably repeated all over again. There is a typical tendency to avoid making fundamental changes.

In the offshore sector, internalization performed by the service provider reduces the clients’ capital expenditures and boosts R&D and maintenance operational expenses

The same thing happens when purchasing IS and offshore-nearshore R&D services. We regularly receive requests from major groups in the form of average daily rates for juniors or seniors, even though it is obvious that the offshore model cannot be reduced to the price of the manpower. They ask us for the average salary, the related local expenses and try to skip infrastructure costs… whereas the difference between Paris-based IT companies and their offshore counterparts lies in the location of work, the integration of security aspects, mass training, logistics, internalized staff management… Their way of thinking resembles that of commercial managers of local IT companies, i.e. from a gross margin perspective. In the offshore sector, internalization performed by the service provider reduces the clients’ capital expenditures and boosts R&D and maintenance operational expenses! At a time when the strategic criterion is execution speed, that makes all the difference. The purchase service, which has been formatted for several years, refuses to understand this and puts its internal clients at a disadvantage by excluding the true offshore pure players, the ones who make investment efforts. Offshore stakes are, in many cases, not known. In the US, where the offshore rate is estimated at around 40%, the first questions that you are asked pertain to intellectual property, the telecommunication platform and its security, the quality process etc. In short, the subject has been understood and I truly believe that there is work to be done within the purchase departments in the offshore sector. Excuse me for smiling at the thought of the numerous Moroccan and Indian offices (which may be a part of partnerships or not) of average French IT companies which are listed de facto because their mother company sells time and material services in Paris!

Paris listing agreements do not guarantee offshore-nearshore quality

In this case, listing agreements act de facto as intermediaries (a word which is hated by buyers), which, as with airplane tickets, should regularly go through the rich and renewed offer which appears worldwide. The web can thus play a role in reducing the number of commercial intermediaries just like it did in other sectors of activity. Generally speaking, clients understand the internationalization of purchases and global engineering better than IT companies. Therefore, they have much to gain from this. The clients’ security and purchase departments might want to visit the offshore resource suggested by their referenced partner. I remember seeing an offshore project of a major aircraft manufacturer in which 3 developers out of 10 worked during the evening for another company of the same sector. Of course, this small company benefitted from the listing agreement of a referenced French IT company. In Vietnam, I saw the team of developers of a major French company within one of the important players of the country, which is known to be working for the Vietnamese army… They worked on security programmes for European borders. Paris listing does not guarantee the quality of offshore-nearshore services. No more comments.

I am sure you have understood what I mean, despite the fact that I am biased. But the difference between these companies and ours is that at Pentalog, I am the one who makes a commitment, not a sales manager who has worked for 3 employers over the last 5 years! However, I haven’t finished my criticism. The last aspect does not concern the offshore sector in particular. It is rather general. The purchasing processes within IT companies have allowed clients to exert pressure on prices for quite a while. This is a fair fight and everyone has this aim, after all.

The productivity of sales managers in IT companies has virtually made no progress

Nevertheless, I am wondering about the impact on the commercial organization of IT companies which, in order to gain this much-coveted listing agreement and then support it, end up with expensive and excessively large sales teams. On average, major IT companies have one sales manager for every 20 employees, who represents 5% of the services sales figure. This is just the direct salary-related cost. The entire sales environment weighs between 20 and 30% of the sales figure of traditional IT services companies, with a level of technology-related capital expenditures close to 0. I think that here lies an important performance and productivity stake for all of us, both clients and providers, as this figure cannot be justified in a world where technical assistance amounts to more than 50% of invoices. Even though in comparison with the beginning of the 90s the demand has skyrocketed, the average sales achieved by a commercial employee of IT companies seem to be blocked under the 2-million-euro threshold, which, if my memory serves me right, is the same as the figure which was usually achieved when I began my career in ‘93! In other words, despite the volume effect and the contribution of new technologies, the productivity of a sales manager in an IT company has not improved. This represents a lack of creativity in the management of our sector.

The experiments that we have carried out at Pentalog and Invelia in terms of virtualization of commercial positions show that this figure can easily be tripled. Pentalog has only one sales manager for every 150 employees! Clients and providers in our industry might want to give this some thought. The cost of sales positions (25 to 30%) has a considerable impact on the purchasing price, quality, profitability and social satisfaction. At a time when the service purchase framework must be reviewed in order to better integrate an offshore component which will reach between 30% and 50% of committed man-hours, isn’t this an opportunity to ask ourselves a series of questions on the efficiency of our client-provider relations?


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